CAN THERE BE SUCH A THING AS "XTIAN WICCAN"???
(NOTE: Wicca isn't Satanism and Wiccans don't believe in Satan. Since I know this, thanks for not emailing me and telling me what I already know.)
It seems like a ridiculous question. It's like asking if you can be a "Hindu Muslim", a "Shinto Zoroastrian" or as Moe Howard might have said..."a highly intelligent imbecile"
Let's define some terms:
Christianity: The 2000 year old religion of Jesus Christ the Son of God, based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies. Teaches the afterlife of either a heaven or hell with no earthly rebirth. Teaches an eventual bodily resurrection. Believes in 10 commandments, including worshiping one God only and exclusively. There are no other acceptable deities! Teaches sex outside of marriage is a sin. Teaches Jesus died and was resurrected to atone for the sins of the faithful. Christians believe in good and evil. Christians believe there is a father of lies, called the devil, Satan.
Wicca: A religion created in 1950, by a man named Gerald Gardner who followed a flophouse junkie (Aleister Crowley) and psychotic who thought he was the Anti-Christ. Gardner basically created Wicca to be tied up and beaten by strong willed women (read Crafting The Art of Magic by Adian Kelly). Wicca teaches reincarnation and an eternity in Summerland (plagiarized from Spiritualism). Wicca practices magic and worships Pagan gods and goddesses. No concept of sin, and no need for atonement. Teaches use of magic spells and the occult. Wiccans have no commandments...just a hedonistic creed "An' it harm none, do what ye will". Wiccans believe in good and "spiritual void". Wiccans claim they don't believe in a devil or Satan.
Am I the only one that sees a conflict here???
You can't just take one theology and smack it down on top of another theology and say "close enough"! God commanded that his followers worship no other gods. That includes any smaller gods you may think he is comprised of. Christians never, for instance, worship Jesus (the Son) as a separate deity. Christians believe God as the Trinity is 1x1x1=1 NOT 1+1+1=3. Yes, the Trinity is a complex concept and some people have a hard time grasping it. But it makes sense that the God that created the entire Universe would be a more complicated form than mere humans could understand.
Wiccans think you can worship any old goddess/god/idol that floats your boat. The Judeao-Christian religion, one triune God (1x1x1=1). If you worship God alongside a goddess, then you are breaking the commandment to worship only God and denying his existence as the only God. It's like saying "I'll listen to you, but only when I feel like it."
"What about Mary?"
Mary isn't a goddess! Even if you believe that she was based on some older pagan goddess (she isn't, she was an actual living person) , the Virgin Mary is not a goddess. She is a mortal. That is, in fact, part of the point about Mary: she is the mortal mother of a divine child. Worshiping her as a goddess is against Christianity. Worshiping her as a mortal is against Wicca (even Wiccans say this!), because the god and goddess of Wicca are complementary and equal. All-knowing, all-powerful God and mortal woman are in no way equal!
What about the Gnostic goddess Sophia?
What about her? She's a heathen Greek goddess (idol). Some branches of Gnosticism worshiped Sophia (some, but not all). Gnosticism was branded a HERESY by the Christian Church, so calling any Gnostic belief "Christian" is like saying worshiping the Hindu goddess Kali is part of Judaism! It just doesn't wash!
Many people into Wicca seem hung up on gender. God may be referred to in the masculine in the Bible, but he isn't a "man" they way human men are, & the Bible even says so.
SO WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT IT?
...but first, let me answer your anticipated arguments.
Some occultists are under the erroneous impression that the Bible somehow gives approval to all the things Wiccans do...when nothing could be further from the truth.
"Uh, they took a lot of stuff out of the Bible"
The Dead Sea Scrolls shows the Old Testament books of the Bible have remained unchanged for thousands of years! Not hundreds, thousands! The earliest manuscript...the Magdalene fragment...shows the New Testament is also unchanged. Even if we didn't have the New Testament manuscripts, we could rebuild 90% of it from the writings of the early church fathers that have survived.
"Um, they left hundreds of books out of the Bible, so you don't know what you're talking about"
The books they left out were spurious books, like one that was an obvious rewording of Andrew and The Lion! The early fathers of the church weren't stupid.
"Ever hear of the Dead Sea Scrolls? The Constantine and Catholic Church left them out of the Bible."
The Dead Sea Scrolls weren't discovered until 1947. The Pagan Roman Army wiped them out before Christianity was legalized in Rome. The writers were a group of Essene, a Jewish sect. They contain no New Testament documents. The Dead Sea Scrolls are collection of books that contain the books of the Old Testament, and all of those books are in the Bible. Far from proving the Bible has been altered, the Dead Sea Scrolls prove the Bible has remained unchanged for thousands of years! They also contain documents such as the rules and regulations of the Qumran Essene (who were Jews, not Christians) community, which don't pertain to anyone except them.
"Hey, what about the Gnostic books, like the Gospel of Thomas?"
The Gnostics were heretics who lived 400 years after Jesus. Gnosticism was a Pagan-esque rebellion against Christianity. This is why the Nag Hammadi was "left out "of the Bible as well. You might as well say the Book of Mormon and the Koran were left out of the Bible, using this logic. When the heretic Marcion compiled a list of books for his "Gnostic canon" in the 3rd century he doesn't mention the Gospel of Thomas...that's because it hadn't been written yet.
"Jesus loves me! Haven't you ever read not to judge! Look at the woman that was about to be stoned!"
Yes, Jesus loves you, but love is a two way street. Would you love someone if they constantly stabbed you in the back? The Bible says "judge not lest you be judged", meaning not to sit in continual judgment. The very next verses of the Sermon on the Mount instructs followers to judge whether something is good or evil, and avoid the evil. Jesus did forgive a woman guilty of adultery, but he also told her "Go and sin no more", not "Hey, an' if it harms none...hubba hubba hubba!"
NOW... LET"S LOOK AT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS:
Don't take my word for it...here are the Bible verses I found that don't jibe with what "xtian Wiccans" believe. Get a Bible, look them up for yourself. Get a glass of milk and some cookies, because it's going to take you a while.
Verses of The Bible That Condemn Worship of Other gods/idols, and verses that affirm followers of YHVH worship him alone Before you think you can worship any old deity that floats your boat, maybe you better read these:
Genesis 35:2-4, Exodus. 20:3-5&23, 22:20, 32:8-29 (golden calf, Egyptian idol Aipis, god of nature) 34:13-14 Lev. 18:21, 19:4, 20:27, 26:1 Numbers 25:2-5 Deuteronomy 4:15-19, 4:23-29&35 4:7-9, 6:4-5, 6:14-15, 7:4-5&25-26, 8:18-20, 9:12&16, 9:20-21, 12:2-5&12, 13:30-31, 16:22, 13:6-9, 13:12-15, 17:3-5, 18:9-10 & 14(observers of times, astrologers), 27:15, 29:16-18, 26-27, 30:17-18, 31:16-17, 31:20-21, 32:12, Joshua 23:7-8 & 11 24:14-17 24:20-24, Judges 2:2-3, 2:10-15 & 19-20 3:7-8, 5:7-8 6:25-28, 8:33-34, 10:6-16, 1 Samuel 5:2-12 (Dagon) 7:3-4, 12:24, 15:23, 2Samuel 7:23-24 (Israel serves YHWH and not the gods of Egypt) 1 Kings 9:6-7(Israel punished for worshiping other gods) 11:1-10&33, 14:9&15, 14:23-24 (Pagan groves condemned), 15:12-13, 16:25-26 (vanities [KJV] = idols in Heb.) 16:31-34, 18:15-40 (Elijah defeats Pagan priests), 19:18 (Ba�al worshipers undesirable) 22:52-53 2 Kings 1:3 (consulting Pagan gods condemned) 5:13 (only YHWH is God), 10:18-28, (Ba�al worshipers condemned), 11:18 15:4 (offering incense in Pagan sacred sites condemned), 16:2-4 (Pagan practices & child sacrifice condemned), 17:7-23 (Israel punished for worshiping Pagan gods), 17:29-41 (serving both YHWH and Pagan gods condemned). 18:3-5 (turning away from Pagan gods), 19:33-35 (Pagan gods did not help Israel), 21:1-16 (Ba�al & idol worship) 21:19-22, 22:15, 23:4-20, 1 Chronicles 5:24-26, 14:12, 16:25-26, 17:20, 2Chronicles 7:19-20 13:7-10, 14:2-3, 15:16, 20:33, 21:13, 23:16-17, 24:7& 18-20, 25:14-15&20, 28:1-5, 28:22-25, 31:1, 32:13-22, 33:3-9&15, 34:3-7 & 25, Nehemiah 9:17-18, 13:1-2, Job 31:26-28 (worship of sun, moon, and stars condemned), Psalms 24:4 (vanity = idols), 31:6, 40:4 (lies =idols or false gods in Hebrew), 96:4 (YHWH comes before idols), 106:28-29 & 35-40 (their own inventions = idols), 115: 2-9, Isaiah 1:29-30, (oaks, Heb. = terebinth, places of Pagan worship), 2:18 & 20, 10:10-11, 19:3-4, 26:13-14 (idols are dead), 31:7, 36:19 (YHWH more powerful than Pagan gods) 37:19, 41:21-24 (cause = idols in Hebrew), idols are nothing, 41:29 idols are nothing, 42:8 & 17, 43:11, 44:5-6 & 9-10 & 17-22 & 24-25 (YHWH thwarts occult practices), 46:1 & 6-7 & 9, 47:9, 48:5, Jeremiah 1:16, 2:5 (vanity = idols), 2:11 (nothing gained by worshiping idols), 2:23 (Baalim pollutes)2:27-28 (idols cannot save), 4:1 (abominations = in Heb., idols) 5:7 (Pagan gods aren�t gods), 5:19, 7:6 & 9, 7:18, 7:30-32 (Tophet = a place of Pagan child sacrifice), 8:1 (worship of stars forbidden), 9:19 (vanities = idols) 10:3-5 & 8-11, 11:12-13 & 17, 13:10, 16:11 & 18-20, 18:15, 19:4-6, 19:13-15 (Tophet = place of Pagan child sacrifice)22:8-9, 25:6-7, 27:9-10 (sorcerers Heb = kashawf,people who practice magic,diviners Heb = kawsam, tells fortunes by lots or a scroll, enchanters Heb. = hawnan, a practitioner of magic), 27:18-20 (queen of heaven = Semiramis, goddess worship forbidden) 29:8, 32:28-30 & 34-35, 43:12-13, 44:3-8, &15-27 (goddess worship condemned!!) 48:6-8 & 35 (HIGH PLACES = Pagan places of worship), 50:2, 51:17-18, Lamentations 1:10 (Pagans cannot worship with followers of YHWH! ), Ezekiel 5:11, 6:3-6 & 9 & 13-14, 7:20 & 24, 8:3 & 5 8:13-17 (Tammuz worship an abomination), 11:18 & 21, 14:3-8, 16:-20 & 36, 18:12 & 15, 20:7-9, 20:16 & 18, 20:23-26 & 31-32 & 39 21:29 22:3-4 & 9(eat upon mountains = Pagan festivals), 30:13, 33:25, 37:23, 44:12-13, Daniel 3:17-18 & 28 (Daniel and his companions did not have to worship Pagan gods), Hosea 2:13, 3:1-4 (Israel�s worship of false gods likened to an unfaithful spouse) 4:12-18, 8:4-5, 10:5-8 (calves of Beth-aven = idols), 11:1-2, 13:1-4, 14:3 & 8 Amos 5:26-27, 8:14, Jonah 2:8 Micah 1:7 Nahum 1:14, Habakkuk 1:11 (Chaldean�s god is Marduk) 2:18-19, Zephaniah 1:3-5(stumbling blocks=idols), 2:11, Malachi 2:11 (Israel not to intermarry with idolaters), Matthew 4:10, Acts 15:19-20, 17:16-25, 19:24-40 (worship of Diana condemned), 17:16 & 29-30, 21:25 (Christians not to worship idols), Galatians 1:8-10 (no other path), 5:20, Colossians 3:5, Romans 11:4 1Corinthians 10 14 & 19-22 (Christians cannot worship Pagan gods and YHWH!) 10:6-7, 12:2 2Corinthians 6:14-18, (Christians not to worship with Pagans), Galatians 4:8, 1Thessalonians 1:9 2Timothy 2:20-21(idols), 1Peter 4:3 1 John 5:21, Revelations 2 14 & 20 & 24 (again, you cannot combine Paganism and worship YHVH!!!) 9:20-21 (idols & sorcery wrong)
And also these verses from the Duterocannon:
1 Maccabees 2:15-25( High Priest Matthias kills Pagan priest and "universalist" Jew rather than worship Zeus idol!)
Verses that condemn occult practices
Exod.. 22:18 (witch = kawshawf Heb. Lierally, he who whispers a spell, a sorcerer, witchcraft condemned ) Num 23:23 Duet. 4:19 (astrology) 13:1-3 (psychics) 18:10-13 & 20-22 (psychics) Joshua 13:22, 1 Samuel 15:23 (witchcraft and idolatry compared to other sins) 1 Samuel 28:3-14 1 Kings 13:33 (first ordination mill, not unlike the Universal Life Church) 2 Kings 9:22 (witchcraft wrong) 4:24 (wizards, idols, familiar spirits) 1 Chronicles 10:13 Isaiah 2:6-8 (fortune tellers, idol worship condemned), 8:19-22, 29:14, 47:11-15 (astrology), Jeremiah 10:9 (work of "cunning men" condemned) Jeremiah 14:14, 23:13, 29:26-27 (people like Crowley and L. Ron Hubbard would have been put in prison) , Ezekiel 12:24, 13:7 & 9, 13:18-24 (condemns talismans; pillows and kerchiefs = amulets), 21:21-23 (false divination) 22:28, 23:7, Micah 5:12-14 (witchcraft and soothsayers) Daniel 2:7-12 (astrologers, psychics failed) Nahum 3:3-4 (witchcraft = sorcery), Zechariah 10:2 13:2 Malachi 3:5 (sorcerers) Acts 16:16-18, 19:11-19 (not everyone who calls on Jesus� name has authority) 1 Corinthians 8:1-13 (Christians not to eat things offered to idols), 10:28, Galatians 5:20 Ephesians 5:5, James 2:19 (simply claiming to believe in a god is not enough) Rev. 21:8 (sorcerers) 22:15Verses that condemn Demons and evil spirits
Wiccans don�t believe Satan and the devils even exist. The Bible says otherwise. Gen.3:1, 14:15 (serpent,) 4:7 (sin as a personification) 6:1-2&4 (Watchers = fallen agels, demons, the "gods of Modern Wicca") 10:8-9 (Nimrod before [Heb = against] the Lord. Babylonians thought Nimrod was a god) Lev. 17:7 (devils, satyrs Heb.="hairy demons") Deuteronomy 32:17 (devil Heb. shade, evil spirit) Judges 19:22 (wicked men compared to as sons of Belial), 2:12, 1 Samuel 10:26, 12:10, 2Chronicles 11:15 (devils = Heb saweer, literally hairy demons) Psalms Psalm 91 names several demons by name. 91:3 (terror by night = Dever), 91:5 (Hez = arrow head), v. 6 (Reshepth = pestilence, Kitev = noonday devil), 106:37 (devils= Heb. shade, evil spirit) Isaiah 13:21, 14:12-15 (Lucifer, however you chose to interpret it, is clearly against God, and an evil thing) 28:15 & 18 (death=Movet, Canaanite god of the underworld) 34:14 (screech owl=Lilith satyr, Heb. = literally hairy demon), Habakkuk 3:4-5 (pestilence = Dever, name of a demon burning coals Resheb = name of a demon) Matthew 8:16 (demons powerless against Jesus), 6:28-34 , 9;32-33, 12:24-29 (black magic cannot work against devils) 17:17-21, 25:41 (devils condemned to Hell), Mark 1:13, 1:21-34, 3:11 (even the devils fear Christ), 315 (Christians empowered to cast out devils) 3:22-27, 5:2-20 (exorcism) 7:26-30(even Pagans sought Jesus for exorcism),9:14-29, Mark 16:9 (casts 7 devils out of Mary Magdelene), Luke 4:2-13 (Satan fails to tempt Christ), 4:33-36 & 41, 7:21, 8:2, 8:27-40, 9:38-42, 10:17-20 (demons are powerless against Christians), Luke 10:18 (Satan did eventually fall. He too is a demon now) 11:14-28, 13:32 (Jesus gives authority), 22:3 (Judas demonically possessed), 22:31-32 (Satan wants to destroy humankind), John 8:44 (devil is the father of lies), John 10:20, 12:31, 13:27 (Judas demonically possessed), 16:11 (Devil will be judged), Acts 5:3-11 (Satan causes people to sin), 7:40-43, 8:7 (devils cause sickness), 8:9-24 (power of Christ cannot be bought. Simon Magus condemned). 10:38 (devil represses people), 13:6-12 (Paul more powerful than sorcerers). Romans 16:20 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 (Christians cannot keep company with idolaters) 6:9, 2Corinthians 2:11, 4:4, 11:14 (Satan can deceive), Ephesians 2:2, 4:27, 6:11-12, 2Thessalonians 2:8-9 1Timothy 4:1, 5:15 (carnal life is evil), 2Timothy 2:26, Hebrews 2:14 (devils are destroyers) James 3:15 (sins are "devilish" Gr. =daimonodes , "demon like") 1Peter 5:8 2Peter 2:4 1 John 2:13 (devil must be overcome) 2:18 & 22 (Antichrists are evil. Wicca based on Crowley�s writings) 3:8-10, 4:3-4 (Antichrists), 2John v.7, Jude v.6 & 9, Revelations 9:11, 12:3-4 & 7-17 (accuser=Satan) Chapter 13 (final Antichrist, whom Crowley was obsessed with, even claiming he was!) 14:9-11 (Beast�s followers condemned!) 18:2, 19:2 (Beast�s followers condemned) 20:1-3, (demons condemned) 20:7-10 (deceiver)
WOW! That's a pretty big chunk of the Bible!
You�d have to really ignore a lot of the Bible to get around all these verses!!! You might want to blow the dust off of your and actually read it! Get a good commentary such as Adam Clarke�s Commentary. An application called "E-Sword" is free and very useful for studying the Bible. You can even get things like Strong�s numbers and Scofield�s notes (these are good things. If you can dismiss this much of the Bible, you obviously don't believe in it as a holy scripture. If you think Christians worshipped goddesses, practiced magic, and did anything they dad burn well pleased, but a bunch of spoiled sports took it all out, then you don't believe the Judeao-Christian God, YHWH, has any power to preserve His word. If He can't do that, why bother with Him? Chuck Him! Get rid of Him and just practice straight Wicca. Or a Voodooist, or a Scientologist, or a Thelemite. Why bother with YHWH if He can't even do that?
Of course...some people would say all religions are man made and so it doesn't really matter. So you be the judge.
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